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discuss the intersections of ministry, business, and personal vocation. Topics include the co-vocational and bi-vocational models for ministry, lessons pastors and business leaders can learn from each other, and the significance of viewing work as worship. They also reflect on the challenges and opportunities in integrating faith with professional life.This episode is brought to you by Aespire, the branding and marketing agency for service companies. Book your StoryBrand Strategy Session and grow your business!
Highlights
Can you tell us about your book, Market Street Pastor?
The book is a guide for ministry leaders to transition into marketplace jobs.
It addresses ministry sustainability and reduces financial stress for pastors.
It’s based on Eric’s work with his coaching agency, I Help Pastors Get Jobs, which has supported pastors adapting to a co-vocational model.
What lessons can business leaders learn from pastors?
Playing the long game: Ministry emphasizes long-term growth, like building a business over the years, rather than focusing on immediate results.
Spiritual patience: Discipleship and personal transformation require time, mirroring the need for patience in achieving business goals.
What lessons can pastors learn from business leaders?
Delegation: Pastors often hesitate to delegate, limiting their ministry’s impact.
Business leaders understand the importance of hiring or empowering others to scale and grow their organizations.
Eric shared a personal story of underutilizing a skilled volunteer and learning to trust others with significant roles.
What is the difference between bi-vocational and co-vocational ministry?
Bi-vocational: Pastors take a secondary job as a temporary solution until their ministry sustains them full-time.
Co-vocational: Pastors view their professional work outside the church as a permanent, integral part of their ministry.
How can faith-driven business leaders see their work as worship?
Recognize that all work, even outside the traditional ministry, honors God.
Small acts of excellence and kindness in the workplace reflect Christ’s presence.
Eric encourages leaders to view their daily interactions and responsibilities as part of their ministry.
What advice would you give pastors or business leaders for better collaboration?
Pastors: Build relationships with business leaders to understand their professional world and leverage their gifts for ministry.
Business leaders: Offer to connect with pastors over casual conversations to bridge the gap and explore shared goals.
Question: How can people connect with Eric Hoke?
● Visit IHelpPastorsGetJobs.com.
● Follow him on Twitter/X: @EricHoke
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